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He has a point, but there are no obvious alternatives. It's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness, and it's not that other countries are getting more democratic either


Canada and EU are currently far more attractive if not getting kidnapped by the government and sent to an El Salvadorian torture camp is a priority for you.


How many PhDs have been sent to El Salvador? EU doesn't nearly have the career opportunities as the US, even less so for foreigners. Canada might be slightly better, for its proximity to the US and being an English-speaking country


None, because if you have a PhD, you're smart enough not to try it.



Canada can't even keep their own citizen anyone trying for much of anything comes to the USA same with the EU.


For mathematics Europe is an obvious alternative. The US and Europe produce about the same level of high level mathematics research per year.


> I's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness

Hard disagree. They are on a road to totalitarianism. Unless there's a quite violent change of course, it's just going to get much worse.

Have you not seen the president and his people go after: Political opponents, Attorneys, Leaders and workers in the government who dare to disagree, Immigrants and tourists with the wrong opinions, Journalists (because they power and can expose some of the lies and corruption).

Have you not seen the Trump family and friends becoming very rich, and giving out contracts to their friends?

Have you not seen the government being weaponist against the maga "enemies" ?

This is what fascism looks like.


This is all bad, but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterms. If you can vote a dictator out, it's not a real dictatorship.

And again, I'm not really seeing Europe staying democratic for long after the fall of the USA


> but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterm

Sorry, but that is just extremely naive. Just look at how this usually works. Or look at what the orange fuckhead tried the last time. Now, repeat, but with much more power and influence in all the right places, from government to big tech.


Sorry, I am not from the USA, but like many people know a lot more about it than I would like - still might be missing some context because of that. I am not sure how it really works - all these people who now support Trump in achieving their goals - why would they want to support him in staying in power indefinitely? Isn't it clear that when there is no democracy, their opinion doesn't matter anymore? It's still very non-obvious to me that US as a whole will let that happen.


Me neither, and same!

I have no idea, but many keep supporting him through all of the above. So what would make them stop?

I hope you're right, but it's not looking good so far :/


Let me put your mind at ease, the version of US politics you think is happening is just a mirage. As in it doesn't exist. Real US politics doesn't take place in the media anymore. Its all just propaganda now. Trump is a terrible statesman, but he is nothing like what is described by the media nor anything you mentioned in any real way nor are current events in any way unique or different from how the US functions normally. Its just that now it seems to be OK to call an ICE facility holding people to be deported (something that exists in almost every country) is now called a concentration camp in the media (and even in this thread). But Obama, Clinton and Bush deported about the same number of people as Trump. So please believe me, as someone who actually lives in the US, you are just watching a scripted reality show from another universe, not actual life in the US.


the difference between a prison and a concentration camp isn't the facility, but the prices by which people are brought there. Previous administrations deported people, but they deported people who were in the country illegally, as opposed to grad students who published op-eds disagreeing with the administration, refugees who entered the country legally and properly followed the asylum process, and US citizens.

Incarceration without process is not normal in the US or in any functioning democracy.




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