> Out of 8 million licensees, plus anyone who wants to with a clean record in Vermont, Alaska, Whyoming, and Arizona, there's going to be people who screw up. Police do at a much higher rate, in my observation over the years (there are, after all, a lot less of them).
Police also frequently have long shifts where they are exhausted and are carrying a firearm. Its not surprising they'd screw up more frequently than a population with relatively ideal operating conditions.
> Years, as in the wave of "shall issue" concealed carry regimes started with Florida in 1987, and now includes 43 states and most of the population. Every time a state goes shall issue the usual suspects scream "blood in the streets", yet it never comes to pass, as they mean it. Here you're stretching quite a bit to go form "normal" accidents to postulated future bad actions in a shooting event, because you can't find any of the latter. (You can't because there aren't any, at least that I've learned about since the early '70s and my readings of prior modern history.)
I didn't scream blood in the streets. I pointed out that questioning the competence of people who carry weapons as they've been shown to be injure themselves through carelessness...is very reasonable.
You are attacking other people and somehow relating that to what I said.
You've pointed out there was 1 event at which someone with a CCW permit and a weapon existed in recent history. Attempting to draw conclusions from such a small number of events is idiocy. But you go ahead.
> There are going to have to be a lot more, and much more worse screwups, before the toll is a fraction of the massacres in NewSpeak "Gun Free" zones.
Police also frequently have long shifts where they are exhausted and are carrying a firearm. Its not surprising they'd screw up more frequently than a population with relatively ideal operating conditions.
> Years, as in the wave of "shall issue" concealed carry regimes started with Florida in 1987, and now includes 43 states and most of the population. Every time a state goes shall issue the usual suspects scream "blood in the streets", yet it never comes to pass, as they mean it. Here you're stretching quite a bit to go form "normal" accidents to postulated future bad actions in a shooting event, because you can't find any of the latter. (You can't because there aren't any, at least that I've learned about since the early '70s and my readings of prior modern history.)
I didn't scream blood in the streets. I pointed out that questioning the competence of people who carry weapons as they've been shown to be injure themselves through carelessness...is very reasonable.
You are attacking other people and somehow relating that to what I said.
You've pointed out there was 1 event at which someone with a CCW permit and a weapon existed in recent history. Attempting to draw conclusions from such a small number of events is idiocy. But you go ahead.
> There are going to have to be a lot more, and much more worse screwups, before the toll is a fraction of the massacres in NewSpeak "Gun Free" zones.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-h...
1) They are undercounted because they are sometimes labeled homicides.
2) Lets use the CDC #s: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf Firearm (*U01.4,W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,Y35.0) 32,351 10.4 10.2 Unintentional (W32-W34) 591 0.2 0.2
591 "Unintentional" deaths in 2011.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/26/1077930/-Statistics...
2008-2009 was over 1000.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/21/mass-sh...
This puts the number at 934 over 7 years.
So you are just ignorant is the underlying problem. 2 years of unintentional fatalities is more than 6 years of mass shootings.
I'd say that is a problem more dangerous than the delusion that the guy with the CCW is going to alter the outcome significantly.