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Sorry to be the wet blanket but what you're arguing for, advocacy, is by far the worst and most ineffective form of doing politics. Talking about things doesn't convince anyone. Talking to the small amounts of people that agree doesn't get the balling moving.

Want to know what does? Organizing. Getting people that disagree with you, to agree with you. That never happens through advocacy, you have to organize.



Organizing is often less about convincing people that are in hard opposition and more about moving ppl that are pro, soft or uninformed. Then moving those people to take actions that advance the ball in their own interests or the interest of allies. You can really only move people that are hard against when the stakes are low and they have no ideological commitment against what you are suggesting. Getting someone to change ideologically is a slow or impossible process that comes from changes in social position and inner changes.


This isn't true in my experience as a party operator at all. You can easily move MAGA to progressive quite simply, do some deep canvassing but you'll find out that there are more agreements that people care about (healthcare costs, housing costs, poor salaries, poor retirement, decaying society) where you can build on top of.

Also what you're saying goes against the most effective union advice from people like Jane McAlevey that have successfully implemented strikes with >95% participation rates and getting workers effectively everything they ask for. Want to know how she is able to achieve this? She talks to those that people respect and follow in the workplace, often these people are at odds against you.

In her books she has given example after example on how she would convert people that were leading the anti-union efforts into being pro-union joining the cause.

Sorry man, just because your organizational skills are terrible doesn't me that there aren't real effective ways to do this.


Those people weren't ideologically against you on housing, healthcare, or poor salaries etc. If they were, you wouldn't be able to convince them. The reason they were easier to move is because of their class position. If you talked to a business owner, they would be against improving many of those things, particularly poor salaries and retirement. Healthcare keeps employees tied to work too.

With workers, there isn't an economic interest against changing those positions. With a business owner there is. I'm sure you understand this since you are talking about unions. In the taxonomy I described, I would categorize the people you're talking to as "soft" or "uninformed" because you are encouraging them to take action in their own interest.


Once again, I implore you to actually do some political organizing because you're just spouting nothing meaningful in general. Good luck.


Organizing still requires access to ground truth information. It's not enough for people to be organized. They do need to be organized around actual good ideas which requires information.

Organizing without journalism is just religious evangelism and mob justice.


No, this still doesn't matter. Just still waste of time of time caring about what journalists think over activating the local community into your cause.

Go read "No Shortcuts" by Jane McAlevey to understand what effective organizing is.


I don't think you're hearing me.

You are presuming that one has a cause and that that cause is correct.

But where does that presumption come from? In order to be worth supporting, a cause does actually need to be based in reality. And you can't get that without journalism.

Should I join a cause that wants to outlaw popsicle sticks? Raise taxes on birdwatchers? Require owners of unicycles to register them? How does someone figure out what's a useful cause without actual information?


There's no point in hearing you because you're still espousing ineffective things. You do you, I know what works because I've been doing it for 5 years. The people that taught me were doing it effectively for 40 years. It's not complicated or hard, you just have to you know... actually organize with the appropriate power players.

I can see why advocacy is appealing to you though because you aren't sacrificing anything and allows oneself to be lazy rather than effective.




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